... judging by the comments received - just for "balance" (as one of my few supporters has accused me of having ..!!) - and for those who can't be *rsed to sign up to AFC Liverpool's forum - I cut and paste my reply to one of the few AFCL fans who have asked a civil question (scousesnail1) - who just asked what my gripe was with Jay Chandler - I replied as follows at about 1430 yesterday in an attempt to close this one off:
OK I'll attempt to bore the pants off you and "put this to bed" - football is a beautiful game - non-league even more so (why else would AFC Liverpool, FCUManchester etc exist ??). I've been watching non-league football since the late 1950s as a pushchair hooligan at Stafford Rangers (and before you ask - I DO remember Derek Goulding when he was at Marston Road - a little later on mind !). I think what I like most of all is the honesty - you go to work - you come home - you play football - to the best of your ability - you go home. As time has passed on - yes I'm nearly up there with the "elderly gentlemen" - the "dishonesty" of the highly-paid prima-donnas is starting to make inroads in a downward direction - it's spoiling a beautiful game and when I see it with my own eyes I take it as a personal affront, a personal insult - and the "grumpy old man" syndrome kicks in. I'm afraid your Mr Chandler's attitude on the park yesterday came into that category ... what makes it even worse (and further heightens my BP) is that so many clubs and so many players do not need to behave like that - as I've said elsewhere a tight game between two very good sides - I'd be surprised if you're not promoted (and if this is classed as a "butter melting in mouth" moment ...so be it ).
So what do you have there ? Probably the nearest this opinionated b*st*rd will give out as an apology (this "grumpy old man" thing is really gonna be useful from now on) .... however many feel the need to keep this one running - the constructive comments are still pouring in - mostly from the Wirral (looking at my IP stuff) - but there's even someone called Bez from Stalybridge - we're get the "total quality" stuff that really lets so many people down - acusations of AIDS, not wanting to spend "time with the misses (sic)" , talk of "anti-Manc" and "anti-Scouse "and stuff like that - which puts all those "There's ladies around.." quotes to shame. Another one of my (few) "backers" (called "Anonymous" strangely - like most of them) talked of stereotypes - what can I say - I live in Manc-Land - nowhere have I come across as anti-Liverpool (my Grandad came from Allerton - I still have relations just round the corner from the old South Liverpool ground (or railway station as it is now !)) - I made what I (still) believe to be a valid point about one player's attitude on the day - and you get all this sh*t.
Someone else on the AFCL board (samdoddsred) made the following point (thankfully, another who didn't insult):
"Jay Chandler is one of the quietest guys that you could meet, a really nice fella and a thorough gentleman. I take my wife to every game and I can assure you that having had many conversations with him he is a credit to AFC Liverpool". Sam also pointed out that the Cheadle no 18 had been giving out sh*t and maybe "it was him that broke Jay Chandler's patience"
OK maybe I got him on a bad day and he got me on a bad day ??? I've seen him once - I've seen AFC Liverpool once - fingers crossed we'll see each other again this season - to get a better balanced view (!!) - they'll go up - no probs
I've had a few "spats" on message boards with FCUM fans, AFC Telford fans - even Mossley fans (part of the opinionated b*st*rd syndrome) - but none of them - repeat NONE of them - have ever felt the need to lower themselves to some of the crass insults that have come from the Liverpool area - my rant at 1645 on Saturday must have lasted the best part of 2.5 minutes - some feel the need to drag it out just a touch longer... and lower the tone (behind the Anonymous moniker just in case some ladies are reading). And some of them even came up with constructive options like "fill you in", or "you'll get a good hiding" - interesting to see that options of violence are alive and well in the world of non-league football (Liverpool branch) - I could tell you about the good kicking I got @ Runcorn in the mid-1970s -but I've never been one to bear a grudge....
Must go - night in with the wife of 25 years - AIDS test in the morning .....and I've realised that last Friday night at the theatre (with the wife no less, Mr Bez !!) has been completely "mislaid". ("True Love Lies" at the Royal Exchange Theatre - very good indeed) Maybe more later ....
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the aids comment was about your likeness to bob holness. but you appear a lot more gaunt in looks, as bob would if he had aids. who said you had it.
You just dont get it do you? your spat may have only lasted 2.5 minutes as you say but it was directed at me and you totally lost the plot with me. i dont appreiciate strangers approaching me and then flying off the handle with bad language on the scale you used.
and you cant even apologise and put this to bed.
so why have you had spats with fans of other clubs mike?
Oh these people are so very brave aren't they?
Why if they feelso stongly about something do they choose anonimity?
I reckon that if you thought a player was a tw*t then he probably was!
Probably because I'm not afraid to disagree with stuff (and put myname to it as well), do not feel the necessity to "toe party lines", allowing "passion" to overflow with choice language (as per Saturday)- in 99.98% of cases I've ended up either meeting said protagonists again - on line and in pub - and agreeing to disagree over a beer - just don't feel that comfy about this one - the 'pure hatred' and total lack of 'reading the full story' is something I've not really come across at the non-league level before.
And if it shuts up the f**king neanderthals (of which there appear to be many - mostly in Bromborough) ... then ..
SORRY !
Firstly Mike, the only reason im showing as annonymous is because that seems the only way to post a comment if im not a registered blogger.
As for meeting people again either online or in the pub comment, online is not meeting people, it is fantasy, it is where people like you play the internet warrior with the likes of me, and yes you could say im doing the same with you but if i wanted to i could easily have a beer in the Buffet Bar , Stlaybridge. So i would be careful in future about abusing people you dont know as it can come back and bite you on the arse.
Nice to meet a reasoned anonymous (for at least the second time - same guy surely !) I've got there in the end (I'm still amazed that someone's "passionate" yet insulting behaviour (viz ME) cannot be seen as "passionate yet nutty behaviour" (I wasn't an 18 year old hoodie for Frith's sake !) I freely admit to being a grumpy old man yet the reaction to this particular "spat" has been somewhat different to my others (I think I'm repeating myself somewhat..) One phrase I've yet to use is "Get over it" - I tried to at 1430 on Sunday pm on the AFCL board - but it went on .. and on .. and on. I've even said sorry - just to try to close it off AGAIN - I will still refer to my post of 1430 on Sunday - I expected more of the "well there he is the dozy tw*t - let him be" - but no - the neanderthals kicked in - and despite several posts on here and on the AFCL board, Ossie (one of the anons I'm sure ) seemed to want to continue this thing - I get strange insults about my life, my medical condition, my marriage - I get the feeling that some of those "anons" are even sadder b*st*rds with even less of a life than me ...
Who you playing Saturday ?? Will it be on ?? Fingers crossed Jay has a blinder ..
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